Well, a lot of people are disappointed with this game, and I am one of them. So instead of just saying "This game is shit lol", I'll give you my reasons for it. It is a good game, but for what it was hyped to be, it really didn't live up to my expectations. But that's probably my own stupid fault for hyping this game to oblivion.

My first reason, in fact my biggest reason for disliking GoW2, is that the multiplayer is awful. First off, the time it takes to get a game is unbelievably slow. In Gears of War 1, I could play about 20 games in an hour - probably more - but in Gears of War 2, I could play about 7, and that is pushing it. Personally, I think the reason for this is that Gears of War 2 tried too hard to imitate the multiplayer giants on the 360 like Halo 3. Meaning that EPIC had so much passion for their work, which I can't deny, that they wanted to make it the greatest game of all time, thus trying - but failing - to duplicate Halo's matchmaking system. This is probably because it was their first go at it, thus it was done badly. They don't really have a grasp on how to code matchmaking, because in Gears of War 1, all you did was see what games are available, and choose the one with the best connection, or if its on a map that you like etc. But I'm not trying to make excuses on EPIC's behalf, they should have kept to what worked.

And when you actually do get into a game, its unbelievably laggy. Unplayable in the majority of places. I always test the latency with the shotgun at the beginning of a game and - usually - it takes about a second for the bullet to hit the wall. This is downright stupid because how am I supposed to compete in the shotgun duals with a seconds worth of latency? I'll be decimated! There's less of a problem with the Lancer, but since I nearly always end up playing Execution, their teammates will just revive them, or they've already shotgunned me.

One of the worst things that pisses me off in the multiplayer is how unbalanced the weapons are. Every game - without fail - people just smoke grenade the power weapons like the boomshot and torque bow, and dominate the round with it. Once the enemy team has the Boomshot or the torque bow, you're screwed. I know most you will probably say that you can just dodge the boom, but the controls are so sluggish and slow. In Gears of War 1, you could dash around some cover, take cover against a nearby wall and wall to the left in about 2 seconds. In Gears of War 2, you'd be lucky if it takes you 5 seconds. And by then you've already got a torque bow stuck in your ass. Another overpowered weapon is the motor. Yes, I know that your character shouts "MOTOR!" or something along those lines when there's an incoming shell but, you can't always get out of the way in time. I'll be in the middle of duel and I can either try and kill the guy or run off. If I run off I'll probably get riddled with bullets as I'm trying to escape, and if I kill the guy the motor will have already hit me.

I won't deny that the campaign isn't well executed but that's beside the point. What really made Gears of War 1 for me, and thousands of others, was the multiplayer. The multiplayer was ruined for me, and horde mode won't keep me entertained forever.

Your thoughts?

P.s: Sorry for the tl;dr post.

I haven't played Gears 1, but most of the stuff you posted I agree with. Except for the fact that you said once someone gets the boomshot or torque bow they dominate the match. I agree the motor is overpowered though, and it takes to long to find a match. Anyways though you guys need to stop posting these it's getting annoying. Especially when I see the same people posting their dislike titles. That's the only reason I posted in your thread. It's obvious Epic isn't gonna change the matchmaking system. Just stop playing online if you dislike it so much.

"First off, the time it takes to get a game is unbelievably slow." - It varies really. Sometimes you can get a game in seconds, others it can take around 2 minutes. If you're constantly having trouble finding a game then that's your connection.

"in Gears of War 2, I could play about 7, and that is pushing it." - Again, it depends on a few factors. How good are you? How good is your team? How good is your opposing team? Are you actually communicating with anybody? Are the other team communicating with each other? If you and a party of 4 others are against 5 random people who aren't talking then it could take about 1:30 for a round to finish, I've even seen games of Submission finish that quickly (2 rounds makes it about 4'ish minutes?).

"They don't really have a grasp on how to code matchmaking" - I highly doubt you know much about the coding that they use, if anything at all.

"in Gears of War 1, all you did was see what games are available, and choose the one with the best connection, or if its on a map that you like etc. But I'm not trying to make excuses on EPIC's behalf, they should have kept to what worked." - I too really liked this system and wouldn't mind seeing it perhaps replace the current matchmaking or put along side it in some way.

"And when you actually do get into a game, its unbelievably laggy. Unplayable in the majority of places." - Again, lag isn't always the case. It occurs maybe once every 7-or-so games, which still isn't a good thing, but you can still have a good day playing the game where the majority are fine.

"One of the worst things that pisses me off in the multiplayer is how unbalanced the weapons are. Every game - without fail - people just smoke grenade the power weapons like the boomshot and torque bow, and dominate the round with it. Once the enemy team has the Boomshot or the torque bow, you're screwed." - I can assure you that that isn't the case. I'm not arguing with you in the sense that the power weapons are rushed, because they always are, but it's not always the team that get the power weapon that dominate.

"I know most you will probably say that you can just dodge the boom, but the controls are so sluggish and slow. In Gears of War 1, you could dash around some cover, take cover against a nearby wall and wall to the left in about 2 seconds. In Gears of War 2, you'd be lucky if it takes you 5 seconds. And by then you've already got a torque bow stuck in your ass." - So let me clear this up; you're suggesting that rolling to the left then getting cover against a wall takes 5 seconds?

"Another overpowered weapon is the motor. Yes, I know that your character shouts "MOTOR!" or something along those lines when there's an incoming shell but, you can't always get out of the way in time. I'll be in the middle of duel and I can either try and kill the guy or run off. If I run off I'll probably get riddled with bullets as I'm trying to escape, and if I kill the guy the motor will have already hit me." - *Mortar, a motor is what some people call a car, in England anyway. I'll be honest, I very rarely get killed by it. It's large range and powerful shells are a big advantage yes, but the characters are extremely slow with it so by the time you see the note saying that somebody has picked it up, atleast one team-mate normally rush them to get the kill. If you're the last player alive then that's the fault of you/your team.

Oh, and before you suggest I'm butthurt about you insulting my 'favourite game', I'm not, I'm defending it with my experiences and opinions. As you clearly dislike the game, I've obviously had a lot more experience than you so my opinions will be somewhat more accurate.

First off, everybody apart from the host does experience latency. So I'll keep that point.

Also, you're not mods, so I can post whatever the hell I like here. I'm sorry: I didn't realise this was a "Hey let's all lick EPIC's ass" forum. I've had plenty of experience with this game, so everybody has the right to an opinion.

WellI think I am one of the lucky ones. I have a friend who plays gears 2 alot and has an amazing internet connection so it only takes about 3 to 4 minutes to find a match and more often than not we are host.

I do not think that the mortar is overpowered due to the fact that the blast radius is relatively small, your character yells 'MORTAR' as the opposing team shoots it giving you more than enough time to escape, well I find that even in a fight I can avoid the other player and escape the mortar. The mortar is positioned on the maps so that the shooter does not have a clear line of sight and has to rely on team mates, making it a semi tacticle weapon.

I will admit that gears 1 multiplayer is alot faster than that of gears 2 but it is not impossible to dodge a boom. I find that the power weapons are the main focus for alot of teams but if you and your team play it tactically you can either be the first to get it or can work together to nullify the impact that it would have.

I like the fact that the smoke grenaides have now been 'fixed' by that I mean bean made completely useless as the smoke screen given can be seen through and lasts only for several seconds. The knockdown or stunn effect has been almost totally removed and now even wall planting a smoke is a waste of time as it does nothing. Although even when the smokes were way overpowered I saw them more as a tacticle item than an annoyance. The fact that only 1 is given to a player means that it needs to be used effectively and although many just threw then at the power weps in a bid to stun the opposing them there were those who used them skillfully to get good clean kills.

Although I do really like ears 2 you do get those matches where you play a loud mouth team that inevitably get's host and, i am from australia so if I don't get hose then 1 second lag is a godsend for me, we get destroyed teabaged then taunted. Those are times that make you feel like giving up the game but I think that there are just too many good points to let lag get in the way of a fun time.

I play gears always in a full team of 5 australians so I avoud alot of the shit lag and crappy teammates with no strategy so this is probably biased on that note.

quote Tranquilize

First off, everybody apart from the host does experience latency. So I'll keep that point.

Also, you're not mods, so I can post whatever the hell I like here. I'm sorry: I didn't realise this was a "Hey let's all lick EPIC's ass" forum. I've had plenty of experience with this game, so everybody has the right to an opinion.

So yes Guugly, you obviously are butthurt about my opinion.

All your points are: "No, you're wrong. Here's my experience with the game and you will agree with me or GTFO".

As I've stated, its MY opinion, not yours, and I'm not going to be swayed by your extreme response to my opinion.

"First off, everybody apart from the host does experience latency. So I'll keep that point." - Yes, everybody apart from the host experiences a slight delay, but that applies to ALL games without dedicated servers as the connection can't receive and send the information absolutely instantly.

"Also, you're not mods, so I can post whatever the hell I like here." - Is this aimed at me? If so, then I'm quite aware that I'm not a mod and I'm quite aware you can post 'whatever the hell' you like, provided it's within the rules. I never once said I was a mod nor did I say you couldn't post something.

"I didn't realise this was a "Hey let's all lick EPIC's ass" forum." - That's because it isn't.

"All your points are: "No, you're wrong. Here's my experience with the game and you will agree with me or GTFO"." - Wow, you really are one deluded little child.

I too could dissect every sentence you make with my personal experience. I'm letting you have your experience with the game, so why can't you let me have mine. You call me a liar every time you quote me.

And you are a stupid, ignorant crybaby.

This seems to happen whenever anyone posts anything about the game.

Tranq you did ask for peoples opinions and guugley wasn't overly harsh in what he wrote

quote Terranigma Fan

This seems to happen whenever anyone posts anything about the game.

Tranq you did ask for peoples opinions and guugley wasn't overly harsh in what he wrote

I just found the last sentence of his argument a little insulting: saying that he has obviously had more experience than me (don't know where the hell he got that from) so he has a more equal opinion than me.

"I too could dissect every sentence you make with my personal experience." - Do it then, it would be a good laugh to read.

"I'm letting you have your experience with the game, so why can't you let me have mine." - You're "letting" me have my experience? What so you think I go to the Gears 1 forum and make a thread on what I think is better about Gears 2? I'm not 'taking' your opinion away from you, stop trying to make yourself a victim, I'm just saying that from my experiences, some of your points are being blown out of proportion.

"You call me a liar every time you quote me." - No I do not.

"And you are a stupid, ignorant crybaby." - You called me stupid based on..? Everybody's ignorant, believe me, I'm one of the lesser ignorant people, in this forum anyway. The only people who defend games they enjoy are 'crybabies'? Haha, seems like you're the stupid and ignorant one here.

"I just found the last sentence of his argument a little insulting: saying that he has obviously had more experience than me (don't know where the hell he got that from)" - I made an assumption that I, as somebody who enjoys the game, have played the game more than and have more experience than you, somebody who dislikes the game. I would be pretty surprised if I was wrong, and you too probably know I'm right, so how could you be insulted?

"Blown out of proportion"? They are perfectly accurate to my experience with the game. You seem to think that your experience is the only one that people are allowed to have. For example: I found the controls for Gears of War 2 extremely sluggish and it takes 5 seconds to blah blah blah, yet you think that no-one else has the right to find the controls different than you have. You're also self-important: "I'm one of the less ignorant ones here". You're really not. In fact, your posts reek with such ignorance I can smell it.

Seems like you are the stupid and ignorant one here.

I was insulted because it gave the impression that you thought that you had more of a right to an opinion than me.

"They are perfectly accurate to my experience with the game." - Which, as I stated, is probably a lot less than people who like the game (Such as myself) who will probably disagree with your points.

"You seem to think that your experience is the only one that people are allowed to have." - No.

"I found the controls for Gears of War 2 extremely sluggish and it takes 5 seconds to blah blah blah, yet you think that no-one else has the right to find the controls different than you have." - It's not hard to hold the left stick left, press A and then hold A to get cover against a wall. It doesn't take 5 seconds. I'm not saying that people don't have the right to find the controls different to me, I'm just saying that one of the reasons you dislike the game is because of this, and if you do it like most other people, then it wont take 5 seconds.

""I'm one of the less ignorant ones here". You're really not." - I really am.

"Seems like you are the stupid and ignorant one here." - Stupid based on what? Everybody's ignorant, I stated that.

"I was insulted because it gave the impression that you thought that you had more of a right to an opinion than me." - Jesus Christ, the way you interpret things are ridiculous. I didn't say that I have more of a right to an opinion, I know that everybody has a right to an opinion and I'm all for that, I was just saying that seeing as I have more experience with the game than you, common knowledge suggests that my view will be somewhat more accurate.

I was more than willing to have a debate about the game but you've turned from the game and onto me. That's why people who enjoy this game rarely post, because the majority of people are a unbelievably ignorant and stubborn (I've taken the 'If you can't beat them, join 'em' bandwagon) and when trying to say something it just gets a simple "No because the way Gears 1 worked was better you like this game lol you're shit at Gears 1 gtfo of my forum".